On The Hook with 10-7 Fishing

Tim Martin, founder of 10-7 Fishing, discusses the importance of fishing as a way for first responders to decompress and support mental health. He shares how 10-7 Fishing started as a fun Instagram page for law enforcement officers who enjoy fishing and evolved into a platform to raise funds for mental health initiatives. Tim emphasizes the need for first responders to seek help beyond recreational activities and highlights the importance of talking to a culturally competent therapist. He also discusses the challenges of law enforcement, such as the increasing leniency towards certain crimes and the need for better mental health support within the profession. In this conversation, the host and guest discuss various topics related to financial resilience, honesty, self-care, and the importance of having a life outside of one's career. They also touch on the guest's experience being featured on a TV show and the role of faith in resilience. The conversation emphasizes the need to invest in physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being. The guest shares his mission with 10-7 Fishing and his goal to provide resiliency trips for first responders. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of balance and resilience in both personal and professional life.

Takeaways:

• Fishing can be a powerful tool for first responders to decompress and support their mental health.
• It is important for first responders to seek help beyond recreational activities and consider talking to a culturally competent therapist.
• New officers should be honest, take care of themselves, and practice good financial resilience.
• Veteran officers should also prioritize self-care and make necessary changes to improve their mental and financial well-being. 
• Investing in physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being is essential for overall resilience.
• Faith can play a significant role in resilience and coping with the challenges of a career in law enforcement.

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Transcript

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All right, welcome back to Critical Aspects of Law Enforcement. I'm your host, Vernon Phillips. And today we've got Tim Martin with us, Tim Martin with 107 Fishing. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to let him just talk about himself real quick, just his background, what he's currently doing. And then we'll dive into some questions about 107 and then also kind of some local law enforcement things. So, Tim. How are you guys today? I'm a local deputy here, work with old Vern for some time, same agency. I've been doing that for almost 13 years now and about a year and a half ago, started 10 -7 fishing to kind of help support some mental health issues and suicide prevention with first responders and law enforcement through being out on the water. All right. So obviously, getting out and decompressing is big for you, right kind of like getting away from the job. So what is it that you do that helps you, what do you do physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually to kind of separate yourself from the job? To me, the big thing is just cutting away from it, being with the family, not being a part of the job when you're not there. And it's easier said than done, I guess for me sometimes, but what I've come across in this year and a half of the 10 -7 fishing is it's a very common theme that a lot of first responders really say that they can only really feel decompressed completely and relax completely out on the water. And I've got a lot of comments on that too of how it's one of the only places where they're out with their friends, the people they know, no one is gonna come up from behind them in a store or they're completely safe.

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in a way. So that's what I've come across so far in this and I think it's a valid point. Yeah. So why 10 -7 fishing? So what was it that kind of sparked this idea? We were just sitting around one night and you're like, hey, I'm going to create an Instagram page and then make apparel and hats. And I mean, what kind of led up to this? I mean, I know fishing is kind of a big thing you do in your off time anyway. Yeah. Is that kind of what brought it on?

Yeah, that is. And it's funny you say that. But yes, that is kind of how it started. It started off with just fishing's pretty common, especially we live in Florida amongst first responders and law enforcement. So it just kind of started like that. We had friends and zone partners that we fished with and thought it would be a fun idea to just make a page of law enforcement for fishing. And then from there, it's started to gain some popularity. So at that point, figured we should probably do something meaningful with it instead of just posting silly pictures like there are so many out there on Instagram anyway. So yeah, from there, it kind of moved along from there to making some hats and shirts and selling apparel to raise funds to then try and get other first responders out on the water. So if we can sponsor a charter trip or get some guys together from the agencies that are already friends and have boats. At least get them out on the water for free, help give them the money for bait and gas and things like that. And then also we try to give to charities like yours too on a monthly basis to help with the clinical side of it.

You know, you can do so much out of the water decompress, but we need help help is when we need to help fund that too. So, yeah, I mean, getting out and getting on the water, fishing or we're just being out there, whatever, whatever it is that the individual likes to do, that's a good kind of maintenance. Right. You keep up the kind of keeps you, you know, it's just a good self care protocol. But I mean, when you need something beyond that, then you actually need to go and seek out.

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Somebody you know sit down and talk to whether it's a culturally competent Therapist which that's what we talked about last episode. You know, we really dove into that what that looks like So when you go out and you're how many Days or how many of your off days do you spend on the water not as many as I'd like That's the answer I can give you I mean, it's it's voting and fishing so it all depends on weather and everything else like that too, so and with work and now running a small business, it's less likely. But again, it's part of the job too now is to, I have to get out on the water and get people out on the water for the business. Yeah. So what about your family? How bought in is your family into this idea of 10 -7 fishing and going out and being kind of the face for the local first responder fishing?

You know group I guess they're they're in they're into it the mrs 10 -7 isn't quite as excited about being a spokesmodel for it, but you know, my kids are elementary aged still so they're still super jazzed up. They love being out on the water all the time. Anyway, so well next time we'll get her on here and we'll we'll have some conversation about good luck. What it's like to be mrs 10 -7. Yeah, and be married to you.

Maybe we'll get Laurie on here too. That might be your last podcast. That might be. Especially if we get both of the wives on. That's probably a bad idea. Yeah, we'll scratch that. I like that. So what is your, what's your favorites? So where's your favorite place to go? So when you get out and you go, where's your favorite place to go? To me, there's nothing like the backwaters of like that.

So we're north central Florida. So we fish a lot of what Florida calls the nature coast where all that saltwater marshes, the tidal creeks. And to me, there's really nothing like being out there because you get a good view of just old Florida. It's not like being out in open water. So you get to see a lot of different like habitat and nature. And then, man, you can be in some creeks and

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moving around in there and not seeing anybody all day. So yeah, that's probably my favorite place to go. But depending on weather, they'll go anywhere, whether it's fresh or saltwater, it doesn't matter. So when you kind of look back over the last, officially kind of the last year and a half and with 10 -7 and what you've been doing, you guys do a lot on social media. I think you gained quite a few followers there. But what is...

What are some of the stuff that takes place that social media doesn't see? So looking back over the last year and a half, what is probably one of the, it could be the funniest story or awkward story that you got being out on the water. well, I mean, it's boating. So there's been a good handful of boating trips that didn't turn into boating trips or broken steering cables.

I'm pretty good about making sure the boat starts and the batteries are charged before you can leave. So we don't have to deal with that. I'm pretty straightforward about making sure the boat plugs in. So I don't have to worry about that too much. But yeah, there's been some days that were planned that didn't go the way they planned.

Yeah, so I mean, this is what you do to kind of like get away from the job. But if we kind of circle back to the job, you and I worked together for several years. I mean, there's stories that you and I could go back and forth on. That might be your last podcast, too. There's lots of stories there, especially the old APOD days. yeah. When you think back, you know, your career thus far, what is one of the...

What was one of the worst calls that you've been to and then how did you how did you handle that afterwards? What did you do to make sure that you were taking care of yourself? I guess I don't have a whole lot that specifically stand out. I'm lucky I can separate. Compartmentalized pretty well, so I don't bring a lot of stuff home, but there's stuff that will stick with you like.

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You know, I can think of a couple right off the top of my head of people who, I mean, I've walked in on someone who just shot themselves through the head. I'm not saying it's like something that haunts me, but when I say it, I can picture the guy sitting in the chair right now. I've been to, I've been first on scene at a murder where it was a single wide trailer and I had to carry the seven year old daughter face buried in my chest over her over her father's body. So, you know, things like that. But again, I'm lucky. I don't bring that home. I'm just wired that way, I guess. So I'm kind of lucky, but I know there's a lot of people that aren't. So that's why 10 -7 is, you know, important. So what did you do specifically, I mean, to kind of decompress from those? What is something that you do regularly other than outside of like 10 -7 outside of fishing?

It's just, for me it's a lot of being outside and building family relationships. Just being with my kids and my wife and just doing stuff with them. I'm a person who likes to be doing stuff. So it's even just going on a regular hike or taking the dog out or whatever. Just building memories with them.

What is the funniest call you've ever worked? gosh. I don't know about funniest calls, but there's definitely some funniest people that I've dealt with on a regular basis that call in about all kinds of crazy stuff. Snakes in their bed and that aren't there. All kinds of crazy stuff. We had one who used to call in all the time when her phone ran out of minutes saying something was going on. But then when you got there, all she wanted to do is use our agency phone to order pizza.

That happened a good handful of times until we had to put the kibosh on that. She just wanted pizza, man. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. And her phone didn't work anymore. So did you order the pizza? I had, I did once or twice, but then, you know, kind of like feeding an animal, you can't keep doing it. And then she'll know she can call in and say someone's breaking in the door and get there and nothing's going on. And she just orders pizza. So it's kind of like when you, it's kind of like parenting and your kids are like, I just, I just want one more cookie. You're like, no.

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No more cookies. Well, it's funny you say that job is a lot like parenting. It's just parenting a lot of adult adolescents sometimes. That is true. Sometimes they just either want a pizza or they just want their boost. Their boost, yeah. Their boost is important. That's right. They got to get that nutritional value. So when we started looking at law enforcement and you know, so you've been doing this, you said the last 13 years, what have you been with the agency the last 13 years? Yeah, I did a little time at State DOC. So I'm

I'm in about 14 years. We don't talk about that here. No. No. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No. But so when we start looking at the law enforcement just in general, what is something right now that you see that we're doing good? Like the law enforcement community as a whole, what do you think is something that we're doing good? Well, this right here, it seems like it's been trending the last maybe three years, would you say, that it really seems like there's a new wave throughout the agencies and the career in general that is really looking deeper into the mental health issues. And I think as it continues to move that way and we get more newer and newer officers, and I mean, this might be one good thing that you can say about the younger generation is they're a lot better at talking about their feelings and emotions. So I think it can continue to trend that direction, which is a good thing.

I would say that's probably one of the best things happening right now. Yeah. I think that there is a shift, especially, you know, a lot of agencies, I think that kind of like you're saying with the newer, with the newer officers and deputies that are coming in, there's going to be that natural progression, that natural change. I mean, as some of the, the, you know, the old timers kind of start retiring now, you know, five years from now, 10 years from now, when we start talking about having conversations about mental health and wellness and.

You know people go on and speak into a counselor or something like that. It's just gonna be I Think it'll just be commonplace, but I think it's just gonna take time to get there. I agree Yeah, but what do you think is something that we're not doing real good at right now?

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I don't know, I guess I can also see a trend of, I hate to say it, but I feel like law enforcement's get a little softer on crime. You know, just trending throughout the nation too, where, you know, felony thefts are over a thousand dollars now and smaller crimes that usually lead or are part of a bigger issue are being ignored, swept under the rug, things like that. And yeah, I just think maybe a little soft on crime lately that's giving those people the feeling of entitlement that they can kind of do what they want. Like how many things do you see about a group of people just breaking into a Nordstrom's and stealing all the coach purses and whatever? It's not like they're stealing stuff they need to survive.

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So when we start talking about changing the culture and continuing on with this, what is something that you would, so what are three things, three key points that you would give to somebody just coming into the career? Somebody just coming in, just starting out, what three items of advice would you give them?

Man, you hit me on a hard one there. I would say... You're a true FTO. I was, yeah. Okay, okay. But I have to narrow it down to three. I mean, there's so many things to tell these 20 -year -olds that... You almost said yahoos. I did. You were gonna say yahoos. Youngins. I was gonna say youngins. I would say that...

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You have to be honest. You're gonna mess up. And most agencies, or most supervisors have messed up in their career path too. And if they tell you they haven't, they're liars. That's true. They're liars. They're not liars in general. Maybe they forgot. They've messed up. They may have forgot, yeah. But when you mess up, be the first person to go tell your supervisor, like, hey,

I kind of screwed this up, kind of.

I would say, take care of yourself. That's another one. Like we talk about part of my 10 -7 thing too, in my personal life too, is just, you like to call it resilience, building up resilience. That's a big one. Don't go out there. I know all these young people are jazzed up to be a cop and they'll go out there and work extra overtime shifts, work their overtime details. And then two years in, they're already burnt out.

I know you think it's super fun, but kind of take some days to relax, do your thing.

Don't go over drinking on your days off. Stuff like that. And just - We're talking to a first responder community law enforcement. Statistically, that is a go -to coping mechanism. That is a go -to coping mechanism, yes. And then just personal life, I think my third one I used to tell them all the time is when they're young coming in, it's the first real money that they're making.

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And going along with your financial resilience. You don't need to go out and buy the Dodge Challenger Hellcat because now you're making an actual paycheck and you don't need it. You don't need it. Put yourself some money in the bank first.

Yeah, and we've seen that for several years. I mean, just they come in and if it's their first real job, they go out and they buy, like you said, they buy a, they buy a hulk out or they buy a jacked up Ram truck. Yeah, jacked up 350 and now you're saddled with a $8 ,000, $9 ,000 monthly payment on a vehicle that is three years your starting salary. Yeah. Right.

So yeah, those are some definitely good points, especially just taking care of yourself. Being honest, absolutely. That goes a long way if you mess up. You mess up, own it, take responsibility, be accountable. And I'll add to that, if you mess up bad enough and you're honest, it might cost you, if you're in probationary period, it might cost you your job, but it won't cost you your career.

If you're honest about it, there's a chance you could get hired at a different agency. Once you get labeled as that liar, you're pretty well blackballed in the community and no one's going to pick you up again because they know you're not honest, you don't have an integrity, and you know, get to a point where they can't trust what you're writing on arrest reports and that sort of thing that they're not going to pick you up. So be honest. Be honest. Take care of yourself and practice good resilience, especially when it comes to finances. And I'll touch on that one more time is with the finances is a lot of these kids want to come out and live the lifestyle they've lived at their parents' house for years. And they don't realize that their parents went through those struggles before they were born to get to the point where they have a nice four bedroom, three bath house, nice cars. You need to get that level, youngsters.

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Okay, you can't get it instantly. Okay. Yeah. And the other thing with when we start talking about finances, I mean, you're married, I'm married. Statistically, we can look at any, a lot of arguments that come up in marriages circles around finances. Sure does. Because that is such a crucial point to the point where it's like, you both need to be on the same page. I mean, we're not trying to get off into a little...you know, marriage conference, counseling session here, but financing is a huge thing. You gotta be on the same page. You gotta talk about it. Yes, the conversations are hard and I get it. Especially if money is tight and there's bills and there's debt, but you have to sit down. You both have to come to the table. You both have to sit down and you have to say, all right, this is where we're at. This is what we need to do. What changes do we need to make? Where can we cut things out? So yeah, don't go and buy the $90 ,000 truck because right now trucks are going, are ridiculous, the prices are still high. People are buying trucks for more than I bought my first house. So it's, don't do that. Yeah, put in the hard work now to make light work later. But to kind of circle back also to what you said earlier is that people get in, they're all jazzed up, they're ready to go, they're working a bunch of overtime. So establish those boundaries now.

It's good to have a good work ethic. It's good to come in, want to work, and work hard and make money. But you've got to build in time as they care for yourself. You've got to build in that adequate space because if all you're doing is working, sleeping, working, sleeping, you're going to get burned out. But then also what you're doing is you're isolating yourself. You're not investing into your social support network. Your friends and your family, they're going to get tired of you always working all the time, always being.

I'm tired on your days off, so make sure you're balancing that out. Make sure that you're getting good sleep. You know, make sure you're, you know, you're, you're fueling your body and make sure that you are spending time with your friends and family. Cause that's, that's a huge thing. And a lot of times in this career, your friends tend to be the individuals you work with. And that's not a bad thing, but I also encourage you cause some people are good about not talking shop when they get together. And some people, that's all they do.

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is they want to talk shop. They want to talk about the, you know, the inner workings of the agency and the politics and who's doing this and who's doing that. that's not giving you a break. That's kind of a rule. That's kind of a rule on the boat too, for me at least is we're going out with, but unless you got like some, you know, everyone wants to hear like a funny thing that happened to you the night before or whatever, you know, anecdotal funny stories. But if we're, we're not out there to talk shop and like he was just saying, talk politics and

Who do you think is gonna get the next promotion around? That's not what we're out there for. If you got friends, you should be talking about your personal lives too about what you've been doing, how you're feeling, how your wife's doing, how your kid's doing. If you got not that, who the next girlfriend's gonna be, whatever you need to talk about, make it lighthearted. Don't make it about work when you're out there trying to not think about work.

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely okay to share those, you know, especially if you need to decompress and you got somebody there that's a good friend, a good buddy, and you need to kind of download something. Also those sharing those funny stories. I mean, you know, if you work a call and as soon as you got on scene, the guy jumps off the, you know, the railing and he starts naked and lands right on you. I mean, that's unfortunate for you, but it's kind of a funny story. Yeah. Yeah. So your friends are going to want to hear that. Yeah, they're going to want to hear that.

Specific details they want to know every detail. Yeah, no, make sure you share that stuff so We talked about the new ones. What would you so what is some advice that you give to the 20 25 30 year, you know Veterans that have been in this profession that have been just kind of you know pushing through grinding and statistically, you know probably not doing a great job taking care of themselves. You know, what? Sadly, it's going to be almost the same advice. Unfortunately, it's going to be almost the same device because those are the guys who are still working details every day they can because they've made a life of bad financial decisions. And as much as I love boating and fishing, you meet a bunch of veterans that have been 20 years and they got the 24 foot boat. But then they also need the F -250 to pull the boat and

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You know, they built their own, they built a house a couple of years ago. So now they got a big house payment. Unfortunately, there's could be some child support payments thrown in there somewhere too. So financial resilience. I hate to say it, but you see so many people with that scenario and they have the, they have the boat, they're paying 800 bucks a month on that. They take out on Labor Day, Memorial Day and 4th of July. So they're paying a boat payment to sit in the yard for the most of the time. Yeah. And then on.

What's what's the other one we told the youngsters be honest always always being honest? Yeah, and take care of yourself Yeah, once I mean that gets even more important as you get further along and older in general as you need the more diligent about taking care of yourself and you know along with Being a job. There's a good likelihood. You're gonna get hurt in the job at some point in your career. So but that then that Tends to go to take care of yourself physically mentally. So, those are pretty much the same advice. Yeah, no, and that's good. And it's not, and I don't want anybody to think that we're kind of coming down on anybody about, you know, finances, but finances is an important thing. Especially in today's society with the way inflation, the way things are and the cost of everything, being, having good, you know, financial mindset is important. That's something that you need help with no hesitate to reach out. I mean, there's people that I know I can get you in contact with that would be willing to sit down and kind of work with you and go through some things, but you got to be willing to do that. You got to be willing to put in that work and kind of, you know, look at, you know, maybe like, Hey, look, you don't need all 15 streaming networks. Okay. Yeah. You can get rid of some of these, get rid of all of them. But the thing is that just sets you up for better success moving forward, sets you up for better success. When you get out of the career, or if you have to get out of the career early or something happens, being financially set or just making good financial decisions will help you go a long way. It's just starting to sound like a financial infomercial. Kind of, but it's a big thing. It is a big thing. A big piece of advice that I don't remember who told me, but I loved it. So if you've going along with the whole boat truck payment scenario and so we're talking to the older people in there now, right in the career.

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You got some teenage kids that love going out on the boat. I was told a long time ago, your kids aren't going to remember in 25 years what exact kind of boat you had and what motor had on it and how new it was. They're just remember going out on the boat with their family and their dad. So. Maybe it doesn't need to be the brand new boat. yeah, just any boat will work sometimes. They made a whole song about a whole country song, just no plywood boat. That is true. Yeah, I mean.

For me, I mean, and me and Laurie talk about all the time, I talk about me growing up, like, we didn't have a ton of money growing up, but there's aspects of my childhood that I remember, and it doesn't matter. We rode around in an old beat up van. We were doing things. We were doing things as a family, that was important. That's exactly right, and that's what, you're making an example of it, and I can say the same thing, is you remember doing stuff you don't remember that much of how you got there, what your mini -van you were in. You just remember going there and having a good time with your family. And that's, again, links into building resilience, family values, that'll help you with your mental health throughout your life as well. Yeah. And also, there's a lot of stress that comes in with finances also. So that'll also help just your overall well -being, just making sure you're financially stable and you're your life is balanced financially. But when we start looking at kind of the career, but then beyond the career. So there's some people that, you know, they retire or they get out of the career, but they've invested everything into the career. Right. So it's their everything. It's the only thing that they that they know. But you, I mean, you're working on this whole 10 -7 thing. So you've already started to establish, you know, something else outside of the profession. So

You know, your career is not the only identity you have. Correct. Right. And that's important because a lot of people get into the career and it consumes them. And that is their life. That is their identity. That is who they are. But the problem is when something happens, whether there's an injury or there's a separation or you retire, now you're no longer deputy so -and -so or sergeant so -and -so or captain or major, whatever it is, now you're just regular old...

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Joe Blow, and here you are. So why is it important, just in your opinion, to invest into something outside of your career? Those reasons you just said. You're leaving the profession for a reason, whether you're retiring or just leaving because you need to leave. You need to have something to go do. We make jokes at our agency of the ones who retire. You know the ones that are going to come back in a year because they don't know what to do, because that's all they do. Then the ones that you know are big into fishing or woodworking or they have a whole plan to travel with their wife or whatever. You know they're not going to come back because they have something that they know they're going to do. So yeah, you can't make it your identity. That's for sure. And those are the people that we have been talking about, the ones who overwork, make it too much of their life.

It all stems from that part of it is making it too much of your life. It's a job. It is. And you know, it is a career and even in some regards, I mean, you know, we hear it all the time that, you know, it's a calling and it can be a call. Yeah. But it doesn't have to be your only calling. Doesn't have to be, you know, the one that you invest so much of your time and effort into that, you know, it leaves you with no social support network. It leaves you with, you know, with nothing at home but, you know, a dead plant. Right. But so for you, I mean, you're you're invested into 10 7 fishing outside of work. So with that, where do you think or where would you like to see 10 7, you know, the next, you know, let's say five years. What do you think? What do you what's the goal here? So, OK, five years is a good time frame, I would say. So with the sales of the clothes, we've been able to fund some trips.

We got to do one pretty big one. I partnered with another group out of St. Louis and they funded the travel portion of it and sent an officer from St. Louis who was shot in line duty down here to Florida for a week. And I was able to help get them set up for camping and fishing trips and things like that. I'd like to be able to do one or more of those a year depending on who I'm working with.

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But I'd like to get to a point where I could get a network of charter captains and or just people at the agency. And I'd like to be able to at least not wait for like an emergency, like being shot in the line of duty or something like that. I'd like to do at least one or two resiliency trips for people a month so that I could have enough money to be doing that one or two a month and then just go from there. Like, hopefully I could do more than that a month as it grows.

And, you know, not just locally, but our agency either. Like I'd like to be able to reach out across the state and then cross country, hopefully someday. Yeah. Well, I think, I think you're definitely moving in the right direction. you know, I saw that you just recently did one, you know, not too long ago with a, with a couple of other nonprofits that are local here in Marion County. Yeah, that was, that was the St. Louis people who came down. Okay. Yeah. yeah, they helped out tremendously.

Good. So kind of transition out of, you know, kind of the, well, it's still going to be kind of a little bit work related, but kind of out of the 10 -7 thing. So.

Tell us about what it's like to be a big time TV star now. I couldn't tell you. I don't know. You're not a big time TV star, are you sure? I'm very sure I'm not a big time TV star. Very sure. So I'm probably one of the only people that have not watched Chopper Cops yet. Have you even watched Chopper Cops? yeah. yeah. Okay, so I have not watched it yet. The kids were very excited to see. Of course I don't have, I don't have, what is it? Paramount Plus, yeah. I will.

I'll get down there and I'll watch it. But what kind of what was that experience like?

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It was interesting. So those who are listening, there is a show out now about our Marion County's aviation unit and the show is about that and how we interact with our other officers and apprehending criminals. And so along with that, there's a lot of doing this interviewing and telling about what happened in this call.

So is an experience. Yeah, that's interesting. Get to do it all over again here pretty soon. Really? Yeah, they're coming back. For season two? Season two. Season two of Chopper Cops. It's going to be Chopper Cops again? Yep, sure is. What's going to be the tag on title? Chopper Cops. Chopper Cops. Danger Zone. Dr. Vern Phillips edition. No, I'm good. I don't need none of that. No, that's cool.

That's a good experience, I think, because it probably stretches you, puts you outside of your comfort zone and what you experience yourself. But I think it also helps other people see that there's more to the profession than just what they see on everyday basis. Well, not just on cops, but just on an everyday basis with things taking place.

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They see a cruiser fly by, lights out and they're like, they're probably just trying to speed and go to the, you know, make it to the Dunkin' Donuts or something like that. But no, they can actually be trying to get to a call because somebody's life is in jeopardy. Could be. Maybe not, but could be. Could be. They could be calling saying their life's in danger and then you get there and they want to order a pizza. This is true. That is pretty funny though.

I wonder if that gimmick is still going. No, we put an end to it. That is pretty funny. Next time I'm going to call you and get you to come to my house and just order pizza. She was going to get slapped with misuse in 9 -1 -1 if she tried it anymore. That's pretty funny. So for you, when you look at where you're at right now with 10 -7 fishing, with where you are in your career, because both of us could step back and be like from where we were 10 years ago. Being jail goons. Slinging trays. There's a lot of stories there that we'll leave alone. But kind of where you are now, how much has your faith played a part of that? 10 -7 fishing, where you're at, where you're at in your career.

I've said it a bunch of times. I don't know how you can do the career really without the faith. You know, it's crucial to get through a lot of it. Like for the young people listening, you really do see the dregs of society a lot of times. And like you said, things that people aren't supposed to see on a regular basis. Like something that would ruin somebody seeing it once you're going to see lots of times, even in the same day. So.

I don't understand how people can do the job without a faith -based life. And then on top of that, just to me, doing the job effectively, you have to so many times put your own wellbeing aside. And to me, that was so much easier with the solid faith that I have that I don't ever say it to sound like I was super cool or anything.

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There's time, whatever happens, happens. I know where I'm going to go. So with that faith, it's a lot easier to set that aside. You don't want it to happen, obviously, but... Yeah, no. Absolutely. And I think that is important. And there's a lot of research that's been done specifically on individuals that have that faith aspect and just their ability to just be more resilient.

in general. Not just in, we're not talking about just in the profession, not just in the first responder, but that is a huge thing. It's a huge aspect of it. But I'm getting ready to do a class here this month here in July, and it's called Biblical Resilience. So it's based off, it's this idea of resilience based off of scripture and in the Bible. Because when you look through the Bible, you see just individual to individual who demonstrated just profound resilience in the face of some just unimaginable things. But when you break it down, they all have the same the same key components that drive who they are. And that comes back to I've shared this with you before, you know, they're purpose driven. And when I say they're purpose driven, I'm not talking about the book, the book, you know, purpose driven life. So they're they're

They're eternally focused, they're purpose driven, and they face adversity, right? So when we look at those, they're eternally focused. And what are they internally focused on? They were all internally focused on their relationship with God, right? And since they were internally focused on their relationship with God and growing that and maturing that, they were what? Purpose driven. And when they're purpose driven, it wasn't for their own purpose, right? They saw the purpose that they had and it was to...

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glorify God, right? And that gave them the ability to face adversity and to handle the adversity. I mean, so you look at people like Abraham and David and Joe, I mean, and then you get in the New Testament, you see Paul. I mean, that dude was shipwrecked, snake bit, you know, he was beaten, he was stoned. And all of that, though, he was internally focused. He was purpose driven. His purpose was to share the gospel.

And that gave him the ability to face all of that. But the biggest example that we see when we start talking about biblical resilience is Christ, obviously. Right? So when you look at, you know, his life, you see he was internally focused. He was internally focused with his relationship with the Father. Right? He had quite the relationship with the Father. He had quite the relationship. And that made him purpose driven. What was his purpose? His purpose was to come and live a sinless life and then to die on the cross. For schlubs like you and me. Yeah, for us. And because he was internally focused, because he was purpose driven, it gave him the ability to face the cross, which is probably hands down the most horrific death that any of us could have died for anybody else. Right. So when we look at that, that's a huge part. I mean, when you have those key components,

It doesn't mean it's gonna be easy, because when we look at each of these individuals and we look at all the aspects and all the things they've gone through, none of it was easy. I mean, the cross was not easy. So it doesn't mean that your life isn't gonna be easy, but it gives you the ability to walk through that and to face that with a whole different resilience than if you don't have that aspect at all. And what I like about those, well, all of them, throughout the Bible, but those examples you give specifically is what makes them humanized too, is what, I had a pastor call it naval gazing sometimes. You're just down there looking at yourself like, woe is me. And Paul, there's so many times in his letters that he's, I got this going on, I got this thorn in my side. And then Abraham was, I'm sorry, I was thinking of Moses.

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Moses was the one who he, he always enabled gays and like, I'm not good. And I can't do this. I'm not a public speaker. David, David goes through every other Psalm is like a good, like, yay. Happy. Yeah. Back and forth. And so, and you can link that back to what you're talking about. But then the career too, is you're going to have so many times are like down on your luck. Someone's going to get a promotion that you thought you should have got. And you're gonna be like, I put in so much work for this. And woe is me and naval gays and that yourself, but you know, when you are talking about what you're talking about, you have that purpose in your life and you know that you can stop navel gazing and go back to looking at what you're supposed to be doing and you can pop back from it and move along and you know, know this, do it again. Try out again, you know, no one's gonna stop you from keep trying what you wanna do. So. Yeah, that's important. So I always hear that there's the four main areas you need to be investing in physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. I think that law enforcement does really good at obviously the physical. Well, most do. Most do. Right? Most do. Because there is that requirement there. Doing better with the mental, even the emotional. But I think that right now we're seeing a, just in my own opinion, I think we're seeing a deficit in the spiritual aspect of taking care of themselves in law enforcement profession because

I think that the mental wellness and emotional wellness has been such a big push lately. We're kind of forgetting some of that, some of the other crucial parts, which is the spiritual wellness. It's all encompassing. It's all part of the person. And you may, well, I don't believe in, you know, I don't believe in anything. I'm, you know, I don't believe in God. Well, I would encourage you to look into it. Well, no, with that, but the thing is, you know, so I said everybody has a claim in these areas and I don't believe in anything but well,

That's a belief. If you don't believe in something, you still have a belief. You still have a theology that tapers into your spiritual aspect and what you believe. So, but yeah, definitely make sure you're taking care of yourself in the whole aspect of it, not just in certain areas, because you might be in the greatest shape, but internally and cognitively, you might just be an absolute.

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mess so it doesn't do you any good if you're able to you know run you know 20 miles do you know 500 push -ups all this stuff if cognitively you're not able to you know to walk through things and to process things and you and make good sound decisions so we talked about that a lot with the guys are like I'm Superman this and that you know like I don't need

I don't mean to talk to anybody. I just, you know, I just kind of pushing through, pushing through. And, but those are the guys that, you know, internally they're held together with, you know, duct tape and bubble gum. And it's just one bad call away from everything imploding. And I think, we've touched on a lot of them, but maybe not as much emotional. And that's a big one too, because as you, as you get further along in your career, you're probably going to get further along into a relationship and man, to the young ones and the old ones I already know, you have to cut those emotions off so many times at work. Like you have to be emotionless in so many situations, good and bad. Like, you know, when you're, when you're telling someone that they're waking them up in the middle of the night and telling someone that their kid just died in a car wreck or whether it's you just have to be hard to someone that's calling for a pizza because they're down on their luck and they're, you know, and you just have to be sorry. Like if you do this again we're gonna have to take you to jail. You need to be able to work out a way to come home to your family and then have emotions again with your wife and your kids, because they can see it, you know? So however that works for you, and that's something that you would need to figure out, partially for yourself, but then talking with your spouse and figuring out if, you know, hey, maybe you need 15 minutes when you get home to switch gears and hang out in the bedroom and...take a shower, whatever you need to do. But you need to be there emotionally for your family as well. I mean, you need to be there emotionally for yourself too. Because you become emotionless, then you're not much of a human. Absolutely. Well, Tim, I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you talking about 10 -7. So if somebody wants to buy some 10 -7 apparel, where do they need to go? Well, we've been growing. So I have an actual official website now, not just a store site.

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So you can go to the website that way you can learn more about the mission focus and to see some of the the posts that I have of the trips that I've been funding and then all my social medias YouTube I even started the YouTube channel now so you can check out all that and then the stores linked to that as well so it's just www.107fishing.com but it's spelled out T E N dash seven fishing .com and I'll put that I'll put that in the show notes so that people see that and click on that. But before you go, I do have a question. Okay, I'm ready. You knew it was coming. So I got my fishing pole. What kind of sweet fish can I catch with this bad boy right here? Honestly, you can catch anything on that thing. I mean, look at this. If you go and you see one of my last videos, my seven -year -old son got a new fishing pole that is...a somewhat adult pole but it's still pretty small and he caught the biggest fish we've ever caught together on it. It was a whole 22 pound fish on a pole not much bigger than that. But is it a frozen pole? No, it was blue. okay. He had a Spider -Man pole for a while before that though. So this is a frozen pole. I mean look, I just broke it. Yeah, see well you're not gonna catch. man, I'm not gonna catch anything now. Don't tell my kids.

Well, that'll be good because the first fish they catch on and it breaks a pole I think they got a whopper so But I think I can definitely catch you know, at least a little sunfish or something. yeah

You want it? No. Do you want to auction it off? No. All right. All right. Well, Tim, I appreciate you coming on. It's been a good chat. And thanks, man. And we'll look forward to doing this again. Sure will. We'll get the wives out here next time. I still think it's a bad idea. All right. Thanks a lot.